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Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:38 am

Well as is obvious by the post title I have myself a Warhound Titan. I bought it in the first half of 2012 and while I did a bit of cleanup work on it over the rest of the year, over Christmas I felt inspired to get the project going full swing. The very positive response I got to the painting of my SAW also gave me the confidence I need to feel that I can do a decent job of painting the Warhound, which is also an epic task.

Cleanup and assembly has been a big job. There are a LOT of parts and they pretty much all have some mould lines to be removed. All have gates that need removal too. There were a few badly cast and damaged parts but I elected to repair them myself with putty rather than screw around sorting out replacements. All of the joints have been pinned and I'm using Zap A Gap 5 minute epoxy for any important joins. I decided early on that I wouldn't bother with the interior for 3 reasons:
  1. It's intended to be a static display model in a case so nobody will be looking inside
  2. Getting the body to assemble properly so that the internal parts all line up nicely is a pain
  3. Painting the interiors would add a lot of time to painting

One thing I did want to do was something interesting for the grille that covers the cooling systems on the top of the carapace armour. I played around in Inkscape and came up with what I felt was a cool, suitably 40k style design. 10 minutes with my CNC router and some really thin styrene sheet produced this:

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To be really honest I'm not completely sold on the skull (yes, that's what the centre cutout is supposed to be) design. The problem is that I couldn't come up with anything else that I felt more appropriate routed out in that style. Imperial eagles are too detailed. And I wanted to have a fair amount of open area to show plenty of the details underneath. I'll think about it some more as I continue assembly.

The other thing I've been giving some consideration to is the diorama base for this one. I did a test last night and while I'm pretty sure it will be stand freely without a base (despite the "walking" pose, which you'll see soon), it won't be super stable. Plus a nice base really completes a model! Inspired by this Warhound (I'm planning to do a blue and yellow Warp Runners Legion colour scheme too) I am considering a snowy setting (primarily because I haven't done snow before, and to not do something new wouldn't be keeping with my hobby masochistic tendencies). But I also don't want to do such a featureless expanse as featured on the SAW diorama. So I'm now starting to think "snowy ruined city street", inspired by the building modelling work featured on a recent Eye of Terror blog post (seriously that is one of the best Imperial building ruins I've seen anywhere).

The one thing I need to do is make sure I don't go overboard with the base size: the SAW diorama only just fits into my display cabinet (the base has to be oriented in a specific, non-ideal way). The Warhound is also a very large model (similar footprint as the SAW and a lot taller). Suddenly I wish I didn't get rid of all of my Cities of Death bits on a previous clean out (although I do have an unopened Manufactorum box sitting around)!

I'll post some pics of the Warhound itself as assembly nears completion. But really, we've all seen assembled Warhound pics a million times before. They're pretty commonplace nowadays. I wonder if Forge World ever anticipated the sheer number of them they would sell?
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Commissar-Krad » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:51 am

Can't wait to see some pictures of this!!! I still really want to get a titan (or 3) and always like checking out project logs for them. I really like your idea with the exhaust covers and agree about the skulls not looking ideal. Could you try a silhouette of the aquila perhaps instead of a detailed version? Perhaps half on each side? Dunno, just a thought.
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:02 am

Yeah I played around with an Aquila but couldn't get it to look right at a low level of detail. Might have to play around some more, although your idea of splitting it in two isn't bad!
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:02 pm

I did some quick playing around in Inkscape trying out different grille concepts. None of them I feel are particularly better than the skull. Here's what I came up with:

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Titan legion icon, eagle wings, Admech cog. As with the skulls, the cog is a little amorphous without the interior detail. The T icon isn't too bad and the wings are pretty obvious looking (although they won't come out as sharp by the time the cutter radius is taken into account).

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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Munkey Joe » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:59 pm

As I told Zac I swear I posted here earlier..... But I guess I did not.

I dont like the skulls. Its missing the "eyes" and for it to look right IMHO it needs them. The gear is in the same boat.

I like the Wings and the T. those are good to me BUT Im also really wanting to see the Gears and Skulls since its Grimdark and those are staples for ad mech and 40K in general..... SO what to do?

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Several gears together to form a large image, or invert the image to where your cutout is the background and the gears are solid.... But that might be hard to do OR it might look silly once done....

Easy simple way to do it?? Leave it blank and Take a toothed washer or a watchgear and a small skull and make it a 3D version. it would add texture to it and be pretty easy to do.

I have a Chaos version Im wanting to do the same thing with SO Im paying close attention to this thread... LOL :mrgreen:

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Heres the idea for the cogs so its not as comfusing as the first part:
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:53 am

Thanks for the feedback MJ! I like your ideas but the problem is that multiple gears are just too fine for the cutter to do. 3D gears glued on top could work, but it detracts from the fact that this is just a grille piece and prevents the details underneath from being seen.

I thought maybe I could add eyes to the skull like so:
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But now it kind of looks like a ninja turtle because of the frets that connect the eyes...

So at this stage it's a decision between the T and the wings. I'm thinking the T is probably most appropriate and will turn out nicely.
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Commissar-Krad » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:38 am

I get the ninja turtle vibe from that last one. Perhaps if the eyes were bigger they could overpower the connecting parts visually?

From the other 3 I like the gear and the wings the best. Even without a center part I think the gears would work. The wings I like even better. If you can make the skull work, then go for it.
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Blindhorizon » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:30 pm

I say add the eyes sticking up form inside so it doesnt even look like it's touching the other pieces of grating. Then if you wanted you could paint them so they are glowing and highlight the edges around them on the rest of the scale as if casting light on them.

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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:08 pm

While Blind's idea is cool, it again starts to diverge from it being a grille design.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the wings; both the shape and the fact that I feel like they make it more of a "Warchicken" than "warhound" ;)

The consensus I'm getting is that the cogs are the most appropriate. Which I'm starting to agree with, especially since I'm not gluing onto the armour any of the optional Admech icons that come with the Warhound kit.

So I threw this together:

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The cog has been made a bit chunkier so that it will rout out nicely. What I figured I can do with the circle inside the cog is mount it using a piece of really thin wire glued behind it and to the rest of the grille. It would be visible but only as a very fine fret. I expect this would be the way that signs and things in real life are done.

One further option with the gear design would be to add a skull in the centre instead of a circle. Because the skull would be positive I can cut out the eyes as holes:
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I think this might be the way to go...
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Commissar-Krad » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:31 pm

Well, you can always cut out the whole thing and make the center parts separate to try them both out? I think either option would be good.
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:46 am

That is very true!
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Deadmeat30 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:40 pm

Why not just leave the middle area blank and use some etched brass?
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:36 pm

In an ideal world I would have done the entire thing in etched brass, but I'm yet to perfect my etched brass technique and didn't want to screw around with it just for the Warhound.

I quickly ran the CNC router this afternoon and cut out the version with the skulls. It turned out really nicely and I was impressed how fine the detail was able to be produced. I haven't measured it properly but I think the engraving cutter gives me a cutting radius of about 0.3mm.

Anyway I reckon we're onto a winner! I've got to clean up the fluff/swarf from the edges of the cog cutouts but once I've done that I'll glue the skulls in place with some super fine wire and take a photo. Nearly there!
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby mangozac » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:13 pm

We have a winner! I'm really pleased with how the cog and skull design has turned out. Thanks for the feedback and motivation everyone!

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All of the clean up of the model is done and it's just the last few bits of assembly (well as much as can be done before painting) left. I had to buy another tube of Zap-a-gap 5 minute 2-part epoxy as I've already used up the first one I bought!

I'll post some pics of the assembled kit before I start painting.
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Re: Project log: Warhound Titan

Postby Commissar-Krad » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:50 am

Looks great, man!
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