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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Commissar-Krad » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:52 am

Yes, nonperpendicular, that's the word.
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:42 am

I'm going to be removing those lines and adding a tower over half that center piece that comes down on the flights. I'll be leaving the back turret, and putting the command bridge over it on the tower. Going to add some gothic style windows on the side of the tower.

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:46 pm

Okay long delayed update, i ripped apart the rear of the ship and redid the whole thing. C&C is welcome, i also have flat spots over the arched windows on either side, i was thinking that space could go for unit emblems on them so was thinking about leaving them blank. Any ideas?

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Thanks for looking, sorry for the hazy pictures.
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:50 pm

Gah the pictures got cut off ><, heres a link to another website i posted them on that aren't cut off.

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/ ... 26&t=25286

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby mangozac » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:46 pm

Yeah sorry about the pictures. I had to reinstall the forum recently and haven't found a good image resizer plugin to use. I'll get on to it when I have a chance ;)

The detailing is coming along very nicely! I particularly love the arches and dorsal banding behind the bridge. You're capturing a pre-heresy feel really well! Keep it up!
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:39 pm

Okay so i have hit a creative block and i need some help on what to do next for this build. I added structure down the front of the prow for ramming, but thats about all i can think of to do. Well not true i have thought of maybe putting some wings on the top front with a skull or an aquila. I did want to kind of make this miniature generic to avoid grandma wendy issues. So i'm coming here to you guys for help on what i can do just a couple small things i'm thinking, or just cast as is and make conversion prows like a big ass cannon prow and torp tubes prow also.

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby mangozac » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:48 pm

Well one idea is that you could scribe some details into the prow, but since there are areas of both styrene and Milliput it will be hard to get consistency of scribe depth so I would recommend against it. Your other option is banding - I would suggest doing that on at least the bottom half anyway.

Perhaps choose some other icons to sculpt onto the top of the prow? A lion perhaps (one on each side)? Or even a shield?

"Grandma Wendy" made me laugh :P
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:23 pm

mangozac wrote:Well one idea is that you could scribe some details into the prow, but since there are areas of both styrene and Milliput it will be hard to get consistency of scribe depth so I would recommend against it. Your other option is banding - I would suggest doing that on at least the bottom half anyway.


I tried doing some scribing and yeah it came out horribly, i use magic sculpt for the main areas, and then use green and brown stuff to fill holes i hated the way they worked together.

mangozac wrote:"Grandma Wendy" made me laugh :P


Yes i got this from the Taccoms guys lol.

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Not sure whats left, might stare at it a little longer and see if anything comes to mind. C&C always welcome!

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby mangozac » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:03 am

Blindhorizon wrote:I tried doing some scribing and yeah it came out horribly, i use magic sculpt for the main areas, and then use green and brown stuff to fill holes i hated the way they worked together.

Oh you're using Magic Sculpt? I recommend against it. When I first started scratchbuilding I was using Magic Sculpt but once I discovered Milliput there was no going back. The Magic sculpt is too hard when it cures (and is easy to mix incorrectly so that it doesn't cure) so makes it difficult to work with.

Definitely try some banding on the prow - use some styrene strip about 0.5x0.25mm.

I love the detailing you've done between the broadside cannons, but the cannons themselves could do with a little more detail. I suggest adding some styrene strip up the top and bottom of them for a reinforced look, as seen on my cannons:

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There are three bare areas on the side of the rear section of the hull. You mentioned previously that the top one over the arched windows can be used for unit emblems and such. I would suggest building some really tiny turrets to mount on the flat spots in front of and behind the arched windows.
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:38 pm

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Blindhorizon wrote:I tried doing some scribing and yeah it came out horribly, i use magic sculpt for the main areas, and then use green and brown stuff to fill holes i hated the way they worked together.

Oh you're using Magic Sculpt? I recommend against it. When I first started scratchbuilding I was using Magic Sculpt but once I discovered Milliput there was no going back. The Magic sculpt is too hard when it cures (and is easy to mix incorrectly so that it doesn't cure) so makes it difficult to work with.

Definitely try some banding on the prow - use some styrene strip about 0.5x0.25mm.

I love the detailing you've done between the broadside cannons, but the cannons themselves could do with a little more detail. I suggest adding some styrene strip up the top and bottom of them for a reinforced look, as seen on my cannons:

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There are three bare areas on the side of the rear section of the hull. You mentioned previously that the top one over the arched windows can be used for unit emblems and such. I would suggest building some really tiny turrets to mount on the flat spots in front of and behind the arched windows.


Which miliputty do you use the red or the black? I purchased some magic sculpt i'm just using it up to get rid of it, althought i have not had the mixing issues you have had.

Point taken on the cannons i plan on adding those in.

I agree with the turret placement as well.

Then she's almost done and time to move onto the cruiser scratch build :)

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby mangozac » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:36 pm

I use the Milliput with the white/red packaging (Milliput Standard). I do have some of the white/black packaging (Milliput Super Fine) because I know that's what Zluca from Kallamity.com uses, but I haven't tried it yet. It's supposed to be a little stronger and less crumbly than the standard stuff, but to me that just means more work when you need to file/sand/carve it.

Are you going to try casting this thing or what? It's a shame to put in all that effort and not be able to duplicate it!
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:17 am

mangozac wrote:Are you going to try casting this thing or what? It's a shame to put in all that effort and not be able to duplicate it!


Yes i plan on casting this up :)
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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:39 pm

Update!

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Added weapon supports to the top and bottom of bombardment batteries.

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Here are the new aircraft hangar bays i redesigned as the last ones where to clunky and i got a lot of feedback on them not being a fit for the ship. C&C very welcome on this, the item has not detail yet it's the shape I would like C&C on.

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Small batteries added to the flat open spaces on the hull to give this beast a few more teeth to bite with.

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C&C welcome people this ship is almost completed.

And what am i working on here? Any guesses?

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby Blindhorizon » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:14 pm

Got another quick update, just finished the prototype lance battery.

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And this is the artwork i did that i am working off of. The rear of the ship isn't completely but i would like to have a catholic style church as the rear section that is missing.

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Re: BFG, Pre-heresy marine heavy frigate wip

Postby mangozac » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:33 am

This reminds me of my early scratchbuilding - your skill is improving so quickly and I love your later work here! The lance battery is looking beautiful!

The added turrets are good, but I think the barrels on them need to be a lot smaller diameter. The new launch bay shape seems good too.

Keep up the great work!
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