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Centurion Mecha

Postby mangozac » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:01 pm

Hi all,

Well I recently embarked on a new project: finally back to 28mm scale and this time the subject is a bipedal mecha I've dubbed a Centurion. Yes, it does seem like a certain GW concept but this is my interpretation of a "Romanesque mecha" ;)

I started of by doing a lot of pictorial research, particularly at the details of Warmachine Warjacks. WIP shots of the various models at http://www.kallamity.com/ was also a massive inspiration in working out mechanical layout. Nobody tells you and I should have known from my SAW project that the biggest trick to doing a mecha is ensuring that poseability is going to work.

So here I have some pictures of the progress on the leg design. Other than the thigh and lower leg armour all of the parts will be identical for each leg - only the armour plates will have the mirrored details. As it stands each leg will have 10 parts, although I might add one more as further detail. Yes, the lower leg armour plate is currently a card stand in.

Hip joints will probably be ellipsoid spheres ("smartie" shape). I've not got any real plans for the torso yet, but the weapons will be mounted to the torso via very short piston type couplings rather than arms.

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As you can see, I haven't yet started any detailing - there are pencil lines for proposed armour banding around the edges of the thigh armour. Rest assured by the time I'm finished there will be plenty of details ;)

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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby blind pig » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:10 pm

mangozac wrote: As it stands each leg will have 10 parts, although I might add one more as further detail.


I seem to remember you saying something along these lines with the Heavy Walker.

How many parts did the legs end up being? :lol:

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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby mangozac » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:31 pm

blind pig wrote:How many parts did the legs end up being? :lol:

Oh it ended up with the same (10 parts per leg), but with much less "moving" (i.e. pose and glue) mechanical details ;)
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Barn » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:38 pm

blind pig wrote:*REALLY* looking forward to this project!


Totally!
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Vaaish » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:54 pm

Now I know why you dropped off the planet :) It's a pretty nice start, but do you have any pics of where you are going? I'm a little curious about it after seeing the foot.
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Barn » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:35 am

Also, how high is the leg, and the total height expected to be?
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Arkangel » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:52 am

And so it begins :twisted:
Hey do me a favour, point that thing somewhere else!

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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby mangozac » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:48 am

Vaaish: Sorry but I'm winging it again. I know I shouldn't but I am :P
Like I said, I'm drawing inspiration from a lot of sources, but none directly enough that I can use to say "this is what it will look like". Perhaps when it's time to start on the Torso I'll do something, but I find my drawing skills to be so lacking that these days I just mock up forms in clay.

Barn: The leg will be between 3-4 inches tall depending on the pose. Overall height will be less than 7 inches.
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Munkey Joe » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:25 am

Zac... Im on the edge of my seat with this..... Its Tanks and Titans Im all about and brother this "mecha" is close enough to keep me subscribed.... I will watch with interest.
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby mangozac » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:09 am

Well I've been making some slow progress this week. I've begun work detailing the front "toe", although there's still a bit more to do:

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After the last shots I took I also decided that the foot itself was far too small and weedy looking compared to the rest of the leg once armoured up, so I've begun work on a large armour plate to cover much of the foot:

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It still obviously needs a lot of work.


Something I've been agonising over since early in the project was the symbology to place over the mecha. I feel that it's the little skulls and eagles over GW designs that give them that extra level of interest and I wanted to do the same here. Of course, I won't be using the same symbols here so I set about coming up with my own. I wanted something fairly symmetrical and reminiscent of ancient Roman/Greek/Spartan aesthetics.

Doing some research I ran across Scibor's SF Spartan Warrior which reminded me that Sparta used uppercase lambdas on their shields. So I ended up sketching up the following in inkscape: a lambda surrounded by a wreath:

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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Munkey Joe » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:22 pm

i like it. I think the extra armor is good ALTHOUGH I have noticed that with Mechas (FW/GW aside) they DO seem to have these spindly feet/ankles for the legs. Its very Japanamation eske and not entirely out of place. Maybe a shield that can be added or removed at will??


OH and the Lambda and wreath... Im digging that. fits grimdark well yet far enough from it.
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby mangozac » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:59 pm

So are you saying that spindly is good or bad? GW/FW seem to do spindly covered with big armour plates. Remember there will be a thigh armour plate that wraps around the lower leg - I'll be making that up next ;)
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby geomod » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:23 pm

mangozac wrote:So are you saying that spindly is good or bad? GW/FW seem to do spindly covered with big armour plates. Remember there will be a thigh armour plate that wraps around the lower leg - I'll be making that up next ;)


From the considerable amount of anime I have watched with big robots knocking the snot out of each other, both are good.

Mecha designers are fairly pragmatic, generally the faster, more lightly armed and armoured figures have the spindly feet, but heavy armour types have heavier feet.

Also think of the diference between GW's crisis suits with the spindly feet and the broadsides with the heavier 'boots'.

I would say, take the Gundam method. Keep the feet as they are ( they look great BTW 8-) ) for a lighter walker, but make a heavier 'overshoe' for anything mounting bigger cannon.

Also, what putty are you using as a filler magozac? I am getting into plasticard myself and am looking for a filler for all those fine joints.
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby Munkey Joe » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:25 pm

Both???

LOL. I like the FW/GW armored legs.
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They are beefy and nice with a armour plate to protect.

now with the Japanamation mechas....
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they seem to have slimmer ankles/feet

I kinda relate it to the foot binding and sandals that are popular in China and Japan with the foot/ankle area being bound to shrink the footprint (pun intended) OR to elongate the foot/ankle region with platforms for a more unstable platform. kinda like High heels...
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and we both know GW likes the spindly little legs on the anime mechas they make
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now I think BOTH fit and are nice in their own respects, but one does not appeal to everyone entirely. so if you make the plates removable......it appeals to both and makes it more versitile for the masses.....
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Re: Centurion Mecha

Postby mangozac » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:20 pm

geomod wrote:Also, what putty are you using as a filler magozac? I am getting into plasticard myself and am looking for a filler for all those fine joints.

The putty you see on the above shots of the foot is just Milliput which is my general putty of choice. Alternately for very small gaps (< 0.25mm) I use automotive spot putty. It's pretty noxious and stinks the place up but it's quick and you can sand smooth in around 1/2 hour.

MJ; as it stands (no pun intended) the leg design kind of needs the shin armour to bring the various elements together visually. If giving the option of no armour over the shin I would have to rework the lower leg which I have no desire to do. Don't worry I'll come up with a cool armour design ;)
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